tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post8844515857044627916..comments2024-01-26T03:26:54.060-05:00Comments on O-pinion: What UAB's football death means to UNC Charlotte Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-60760191858137618802014-12-05T10:07:09.381-05:002014-12-05T10:07:09.381-05:00>> At UNC Charlotte, football is a new, very...>> At UNC Charlotte, football is a new, very different thing right now. >> It's a valuable recruiting tool, an important part of student and alumni life. <br /><br />Wow, Pete. How much did Judy Rose and Phil "yada yada" Dubose pay you to write that drivel?<br /><br />UNCC has played ONE season of football. UNCC's enrollment increased by one percent from 2013 (last year without football) to 2014, the SAME as between 2012 to 2013. NOT "important recruiting tool".<br />Garth Vaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03575150785051894691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-87776376520340862902014-12-04T20:25:56.202-05:002014-12-04T20:25:56.202-05:00Les,
I can remember a time when UAB didn't ha...Les,<br /><br />I can remember a time when UAB didn't have much of a sports program at all in either basketball or football.<br /><br />And yet, they managed to create quite a good Medical school.<br /><br />I personally know several doctors who entered and graduated from that program in the 1970's.<br /><br />The sports program had nothing to do with their education or success in life.<br /><br />How did THAT happen without fooball?<br /><br />And on the other hand, I can find you hundreds (if not thousands,if I really cared to search) of HS dropouts living in trailers in Alabama who are simply rabid Alabama or Auburn football fans.<br /><br />I'm sure their "opinion" of their favorite college football team adds much to the image of those fine institutions of higher learning.<br /><br /> Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-37432533765759537142014-12-04T20:19:45.628-05:002014-12-04T20:19:45.628-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-31197353572780366672014-12-04T19:04:15.107-05:002014-12-04T19:04:15.107-05:00Football drives college athletic programs. It mak...Football drives college athletic programs. It makes no sense for UAB to drop football and expect that it will not have negative impact on their other sports and overall image of the university.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17098469328081504313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-72276178283352140662014-12-04T04:40:41.978-05:002014-12-04T04:40:41.978-05:00FWIW...
UAB is also cutting bowling and rifle du...FWIW... <br /><br />UAB is also cutting bowling and rifle due to their growing financial burden.<br /><br />http://www.abc3340.com/story/27528924/uab-cutting-football-bowling-and-rifle-due-to-growing-financial-burden<br /><br />I mean, how much of a "burden" could those two "sports" be?<br /><br />Man, they must be getting really hard up in the Magic City.<br /><br />I mean, just when you thought that having your mayor, Larry Langford, sent to the federal slammer was as low as you could go, and then this?<br /><br />Next thing you know, their sewers will back up and their toilets won't flush.<br /><br />No, wait, that's a county problem.<br /> <br />But just one of many...<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/business/jefferson-county-ala-falls-off-the-bankruptcy-cliff.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0<br /><br />Gee, I wonder why all that happened.Shamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-17070541370197107702014-12-04T03:50:47.007-05:002014-12-04T03:50:47.007-05:00While Birmingham may be a foreboding of Charlotte&...While Birmingham may be a foreboding of Charlotte's future in many ways, UAB football is probably not a good indicator of that.<br /><br />Alabamians are strongly devoted to Alabama/Auburn rivalry.<br /><br />Nothing else compares.<br /><br />Legion Field is a cesspool in a really crappy, run down, ghetto neighborhood.<br /><br />I know because I used to live nearby some decades ago.<br /><br />The last "event" I attended at Legion Field was a Pink Floyd concert some 20 years ago.<br /><br />And it was even crappy back then.<br /><br />You had to pay thugs to "watch" your car or else face the "threat" (and a not so subtle one at that) that it would be "damaged".<br /><br />Elyton Village (just down Graymont Ave from Legion Field) is a major criminal breeding ground for the area and has been for the last 50 years or so. <br /><br />As far as I can tell, nothing much has changed since I was last in the area.<br /><br />http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/26804090/birmingham-police-round-up-criminals-near-legion-field-ahead-of-next-weeks-magic-city-classicShamashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886687970259841873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-81520369849202050532014-12-03T19:56:23.620-05:002014-12-03T19:56:23.620-05:00Sad we do not have the same attitude with sports i...Sad we do not have the same attitude with sports in Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools. <br /><br />We should stop them and only allow them back when the grades warrant them. Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977808657926308272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-81572592623938426702014-12-03T18:04:06.324-05:002014-12-03T18:04:06.324-05:00Proud of you Peter for a balanced take on an issue...Proud of you Peter for a balanced take on an issue the UPoR fumbled for years, primarily due the lamentable Mary Schulken http://charlotte.johnlocke.org/blog/?p=2202<br /><br />The models for UNCC athletics have indeed been old SUN BELT foes UAB and VCU -- one with football, one without. And like UNCC, both schools are heavily dependent on student fee subsidies for big time athletics. UAB's implosion should indeed be cause for concern -- not panic mind you, but sober concern among UNCC supporters.<br /><br />Because to be absolutely clear, the path the Power 5 conferences have in mind with autonomy (especially the SEC with its money-printing network HQd Uptown) is utterly indifferent to the football fates of smaller programs. If they can balance their books and subsist on table scraps, fine. If they cannot, that is fine too. The next three to five years will be very telling, the money the college playoff throws off will be huge, and it almost surely will go to eight teams, creating an even bigger void between the programs with some hope of making the cut and those who cannot.<br /><br />Just consider for a moment that the future of non Power 5 football might be programs with hundreds of fans in the stands, spending tens of thousands of dollars a year.jeff a. taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12318074644131544308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-47115420836262421532014-12-03T17:42:19.520-05:002014-12-03T17:42:19.520-05:00Despite the cry that "it could not happen her...Despite the cry that "it could not happen here", it could indeed happen at UNCC. Already we have seen in the second season a drop in student attendance at the games to the extent that fewer seats for students will be reserved next year. Meanwhile tuition fees for students increased in part to fund this program. Thus coupled with the burden of excessive student debt, how many years will UNCC be able to support a program that will at best send a team to a meaningless second rate bowl game without a backlash? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-7581911830440576222014-12-03T17:26:35.407-05:002014-12-03T17:26:35.407-05:00My brother is a UAB grad. He says the Paul Bryant ...My brother is a UAB grad. He says the Paul Bryant Jr. conspiracy theory is nothing but a tin foil hat. However, the Board of Trustees as a whole has been looking for a good excuse to shut down the program for some time, and Ray Watts is indeed a shill for the BOT. <br /><br />He does believe UNCC is doing it right, mainly by building the facilities BEFORE starting to play. He also advises that Judy Rose needs to completely abandon her distain for playing Power 5 conference teams, because we will find that the $400k checks are worth getting beat 77-3 a couple times a year. It will help finance the program, our players might get at least 1 game on national TV, and we can still go on to win C-USA titles and decent bowl games. <br /><br />A better comparison to UAB is Georgia State. They are also a new program, and are just now trying to get an on-campus facility. They're new enough that they might pull it off, but UAB waited too long into their program's existence to do that, and that played a big role in dooming it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089776297392081282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-26969554886241723432014-12-03T15:41:39.021-05:002014-12-03T15:41:39.021-05:00I haven't seen any mention of closing down oth...I haven't seen any mention of closing down other sports, which I find a bit peculiar. When football programs are established, Title IX mandates an equivalent amount of money be spent on other athletics, primarily for women. If this were really only about costs, wouldn't we have heard that some of the other sports were also being shuttered?<br /><br />Daniel - UNCC Class of 99danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08967828145450457708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-86653042297752941842014-12-03T14:06:52.953-05:002014-12-03T14:06:52.953-05:00RBoggs,
Yes, Legion Field was definitely an obsta...RBoggs,<br /><br />Yes, Legion Field was definitely an obstacle for UAB, and the Board of Trustees blocked attempts at a new stadium in Birmingham. I don't want to give the impression that UNCC is heading down the same road. No one knows yet how it's going to go. But UAB's financial situation was difficult even without the Legion Field albatross, and it's only going to get tougher for smaller-budget schools moving forward.<br /><br />Thx,<br /><br />PeterThe Observer Editorial Boardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152351817031057326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-35412806799738870052014-12-03T14:03:16.300-05:002014-12-03T14:03:16.300-05:00Hi James,
I did mention the dynamics between the...Hi James, <br /><br />I did mention the dynamics between the UA BOT and UAB, including the Bartow letter that some feel led to this all. <br /><br />PeterThe Observer Editorial Boardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152351817031057326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-77258057710629252752014-12-03T13:42:59.040-05:002014-12-03T13:42:59.040-05:00Just to connect some of your dots--exactly the sam...Just to connect some of your dots--exactly the same thing as big box industry driving mom and pop places out of business. All about the bucks!Martihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07378712921218742407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-3253992104055671622014-12-03T13:42:51.504-05:002014-12-03T13:42:51.504-05:00When Charlotte announced plans for a football team...When Charlotte announced plans for a football team I was for it if they built an on campus stadium that would allow the students to have easy access to games. Going downtown to play would have been a no go for me. Birmingham's Legion Field is a dump in the wrong area of town.btangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11956220526734890880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-4840670518290915222014-12-03T13:40:57.850-05:002014-12-03T13:40:57.850-05:00Do not compare UAB to Alabama. Alabama's foot...Do not compare UAB to Alabama. Alabama's football program is a profit maker and a huge donation driver. Saban's pay does not come out of the university general fund, it is 100% covered by the profit of the program he runs.btangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11956220526734890880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-5275220503905571812014-12-03T12:56:27.241-05:002014-12-03T12:56:27.241-05:00You forgot to mention when comparing that UAB play...You forgot to mention when comparing that UAB played in an old, decrepit, off campus stadium while Charlotte plays in a new, on campus stadium built to spec so it could easily expand to 40k or 60k. <br /><br />Also, another difference is Charlotte will be better connected to the community with the light rail expansion which will make it far easier for people to attend school as well as the athletic events on campus. <br /><br />Not to mention, Charlotte is a top 25 metro area by population, where as Birmingham is barely top 50 (49 according to Wikipedia). Larger population, including a large alumni base in the Charlotte area, equals a much greater chance of long term viability.Rboggs81https://www.blogger.com/profile/09526319677304828242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-65125797191976893112014-12-03T12:15:38.946-05:002014-12-03T12:15:38.946-05:00You make very valid points when it comes to the ex...You make very valid points when it comes to the expense side of it. What you failed to mention is the political vendetta the UA BOT had against UAB. The wheels were set in motion many years ago when they blocked UAB from hiring Jimbo Fisher. Then again when an on-campus stadium was denied. It's amazing that the BOT can sit there and pay Saban $7M a year and then close down UAB football. On top of that, the UAB president is the 11th highest paid university president in the US aka the BOT's puppet.<br /><br />James Foster<br />'07 UNC Charlotte Alum<br /><br />Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06730695244055141445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7536140049505603887.post-42585912415367801752014-12-03T11:56:24.046-05:002014-12-03T11:56:24.046-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06730695244055141445noreply@blogger.com